Don't like touchscreen-only controls? For Tesla the physical keys arrive, and they are snapped up

Não gosta de controles apenas com tela sensível ao toque? Para Tesla, as chaves físicas chegam e são arrematadas
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giugasJanuary 26, 2023, 08:30 #31

Originally Posted by: Wikkle

DEEP HATE for touchscreen-only controls

So there are, at least, two of us...

giuliopJanuary 26, 2023, 14:43 pm #32

Originally Posted by: biometal


Reasoning that can also be sensible, although as suggested by others it may be enough to get used to the use of voice commands


It's not just a matter of habit, voice commands require a number of conditions that are much more likely to not be met than those required by a physical command: background noise, no connectivity (which I understand are being processed remotely) , or even trivially being down in his voice can be relevant factors - and this taking for granted a total reliability of the speech recognition technology, which I believe is, at least for now, a pure illusion.
How much sense does it make to say, in case you have passengers who are talking, "excuse me, you can shut up, because I have to adjust the air conditioning?" (assuming they aren't children) as the only alternative to taking my attention off driving to look at the screen, when I can do the same thing with a wheel or button, in less than a second, without having to disturb anyone, or have to wait does the signal come back?
I'm perfectly fine with that being a possibility, but not that it should be an obligatory choice as an alternative to an intrinsically dangerous method of use.

Originally Posted by: biometal

it remains that I find the price unjustified, I would wait for the Chinese clone for €30 shipped on aliexpress assuming it doesn't already exist.


Obviously whether the price is justified is a totally subjective thing, and it is certainly possible that sooner or later they will make the Chinese clone that costs less: here you pay for the crowdfunding and the preview.
On the other hand, in the evaluation, the cost of the accessories - totally unjustified, we agree - typical of car manufacturers must be weighed: perhaps, if it were an official accessory, Tesla would charge you €1000 for it.


Originally Posted by: biometal

What then with the many hacking and DIY sites I would be surprised if there hasn't already been someone who has done it himself perhaps by gutting an old bluetooth keyboard or using a raspberry pico or similar as a base.

Let's say that here, however, it's a patchwork, many people don't want/aren't able to do these things.

Originally Posted by: Fifagi

But who talks about touch or manual controls on tesla, has at least ever driven a tesla for at least a week?

That it must take driving a Tesla for a week to realize that using commands on a screen is dangerous to driving simply doesn't follow; and for voice commands, see above.

Fifagi January 26, 2023, 15:21 #33

Originally Posted by: blobb

I don't have a Tesla but on many videos they have criticized the voice commands which work very badly, and I wouldn't trust them too much, having said that the mechanical keys are more comfortable and intuitive than a touch screen

I have had a tesla since June... And the voice commands have always worked well for me.

Certainly, in general, physical controls are more comfortable than touch controls, since you can use them without looking at them... The problem is when, as often happens in modern cars, they put many buttons close together, and therefore it becomes essential to control the buttons, the look from the street... In that case, little changes from the touch controls...



Up until now, for the important things, I've never had to take my eyes off the road to regulate something... And what is needed to regulate is that I have to look away from the road, things that are not very important and therefore I do it when I'm stopped at a traffic light. .. It is also true that with the tesla display if you have to look at the screen for a moment, you have a representation of the cars around you, and therefore even if you don't directly see if there are cars or people around the car... Sure, I don't trust this thing 100%, but after having gone from different Mercedes to Tesla, the one with the controls is a fake problem... Then, at least for me, there are other problems, above all linked to the type of quality to which i was used to it before

bonzoxxx January 26th 2023, 15:23 #34

Originally Posted by: Fifagi

I have had a tesla since June... And the voice commands have always worked well for me.

Certainly, in general, physical controls are more comfortable than touch controls, since you can use them without looking at them... The problem is when, as often happens in modern cars, they put many buttons close together, and therefore it becomes essential to control the buttons, the look from the street... In that case, little changes from the touch controls...

Up until now, for the important things, I've never had to take my eyes off the road to regulate something... And what is needed to regulate is that I have to look away from the road, things that are not very important and therefore I do it when I'm stopped at a traffic light. .. It is also true that with the tesla display if you have to look at the screen for a moment, you have a representation of the cars around you, and therefore even if you don't directly see if there are cars or people around the car... Sure, I don't trust this thing 100%, but after having gone from different Mercedes to Tesla, the one with the controls is a fake problem... Then, at least for me, there are other problems, above all linked to the type of quality to which i was used to it before


Thanks for your post, could you make a small list of things that are qualitatively inferior to the mercedes you had before?

!fazz January 26th 2023, 15:27 #35

Originally Posted by: Fifagi

I have had a tesla since June... And the voice commands have always worked well for me.

Certainly, in general, physical controls are more comfortable than touch controls, since you can use them without looking at them... The problem is when, as often happens in modern cars, they put many buttons close together, and therefore it becomes essential to control the buttons, the look from the street... In that case, little changes from the touch controls...

Up until now, for the important things, I've never had to take my eyes off the road to regulate something... And what is needed to regulate is that I have to look away from the road, things that are not very important and therefore I do it when I'm stopped at a traffic light. .. It is also true that with the tesla display if you have to look at the screen for a moment, you have a representation of the cars around you, and therefore even if you don't directly see if there are cars or people around the car... Sure, I don't trust this thing 100%, but after having gone from different Mercedes to Tesla, the one with the controls is a fake problem... Then, at least for me, there are other problems, above all linked to the type of quality to which i was used to it before

many nearby keys are not a problem as long as the keys are different from each other and you don't run the risk of making a mistake,

look at a honda steering wheel for example and you immediately understand what I mean

blobbJanuary 26, 2023, 15:50 pm #36

Originally Posted by: Fifagi

I have had a tesla since June... And the voice commands have always worked well for me.

Certainly, in general, physical controls are more comfortable than touch controls, since you can use them without looking at them... The problem is when, as often happens in modern cars, they put many buttons close together, and therefore it becomes essential to control the buttons, the look from the street... In that case, little changes from the touch controls...

Up until now, for the important things, I've never had to take my eyes off the road to regulate something... And what is needed to regulate is that I have to look away from the road, things that are not very important and therefore I do it when I'm stopped at a traffic light. .. It is also true that with the tesla display if you have to look at the screen for a moment, you have a representation of the cars around you, and therefore even if you don't directly see if there are cars or people around the car... Sure, I don't trust this thing 100%, but after having gone from different Mercedes to Tesla, the one with the controls is a fake problem... Then, at least for me, there are other problems, above all linked to the type of quality to which i was used to it before

I repeat, I have seen videos complaining about the voice commands, then if they have fixed the bugs I don't know, and in any case I think having all the information (trivially, even the speed) on a screen placed sideways, a source of distraction, as it is established that the commands physicists are more intuitive

Fifagi January 26, 2023, 16:22 #37

Originally Posted by: bonzoxxx

Thanks for your post, could you make a small list of things that are qualitatively inferior to the mercedes you had before?

Mainly the assemblies, but not because, at least in my case, they are poorly assembled, with space between them. No, they're perfect on that...but due to the fact that the machine is built to weigh as little as possible and be as efficient as possible.
And therefore all the assembled parts are practically stuck with clamps, there is no padding, let alone a few screws that hold a certain part firmly in place....
And here maybe after the first 2000 km, if you go on a slightly damaged road you hear little noises of plastics moving, or of the window moving on the seal (the windows have no border)...to date I can compare it with a 4 year old T-Cross, belonging to my partner, and that makes zero noise on the same road where with the Model Y I have these plastic squeaks (I specify that I bought the Model Y not for an aesthetic factor, given that for the my canons is the ugliest, and moreover I don't like SUVs in general, but "had to take" for other reasons)

Another negative thing, the Customer Service / Service:
Tesla charges 110 euros + VAT, but they are incompetent (at least in my experience in Rome). If there are problems, they try to intervene without disassembling any part of the car, and often they send you away saying it "is within the standards".

I, in my specific case, have a rattling noise in the rear (which has been present since November).
Brought to the service, verified the problem. They made me wait there for 3 hours. When they return the car to me saying it's fixed, I try it, but nothing has changed. I point it out to him, and in response I get a:
But this is normal, they all do it...!!! (when a few hours before instead they had confirmed that the noise was not good)..."fortunately" if I load the car the noise disappeared. (and of course I only intervened by lifting it on the bridge and doing what they could do without disassembling ANYTHING, neither a plastic nor removing a wheel)

I have now left the car at an authorized tesla body shop, hoping they can fix it. The problem is that he disassembled it, including the shock absorbers, and he's telling me that the problem probably depends on the mechanics, and that therefore, being under warranty (it's 7 months old), I should have Tesla do the work so as not to have future problems with the guarantee, but as mentioned above, at the service they wash their hands saying it's normal (obviously in the meantime I've tried other cars like mine, which don't have this noise)

Returning to the other best things about Mercedes (then obviously it is to understand with respect to which model), I would say, for my tastes, the shock absorbers. Those of the Model Y are too stiff (on the streets of Rome), it is true that they keep you glued to the road, but they create too many backlashes.

Obviously there are also positive aspects, which I couldn't do without anymore, see real one-pedal driving (try other cars that claim it, but it's very different) and the fact of "turning the car on and off" without having to turn a key or push a button, or the fact that it has an impressive load capacity:
before I had a C-Class sedan, and when I went on vacation I had to put a trunk on the roof, here with the Model Y I load AT LEAST as much as before with the trunk mounted

Coming back to the negatives I would say the TURNING RADIUS.
To park parallel on narrow streets (where practically, in addition to those parked, there is space, in width, for only one other car) you really need a lot of space, since the car does not turn much.
While driving everything is ok, but for parking it can be very problematic.

Would I go back and take it again?
I don't know... apart from my specific noise problem at the rear, which if it weren't there I would be satisfied, in general, even if I would immediately change the shock absorbers, to use it in Rome, I was really disappointed by the behavior of the Service, from which I also felt made fun of (and here I have reported only one event, but there are at least 2 or 3 others, even worse than the one described).
In the past I had abandoned BMW precisely because of how the customer service center I went to treated, and I had switched to Mercedes where I had always found myself very very well.

I know that there are some good Tesla Services, including the one in Padua, but it becomes quite prohibitive for me to go there.

ps @giuliop I've never had any problems with Tesla voice commands. Even with my son (6 years old) making noise and screaming in the back, if I press the button on the steering wheel and say
put 22°C, or turn on the steering wheel (to turn on the heating of the steering wheel) I've never had any problems.
That said, the most important thing to specify is that all the most important commands can be given WITHOUT using voice commands and without taking your eyes off the wheel.

I don't know which controls you generally use, I'm curious to know how you do it, even if you have wheels or buttons to regulate, for example, the temperature, precise to the degree, without taking your eyes off the steering wheel.
With the Tesla I can do it with voice commands (I didn't notice if it works in the absence of a connection, because I've never had problems, even where I had no network with my cell phone), otherwise I can swipe my finger on the left side, without needing to aim (just swipe right or left to raise or lower), obviously if I want to be sure I set 21.5°C instead of 21°C I have to check the value for a moment (even if written well), but I don't think that with a knob physics could be easier.

I put the arrows with the lever.
Gear shifting with the lever.
The cruise control/autopilot with the lever, and then I adjust it with the wheel.
The volume with the wheel.
Change radio station or song with steering wheel control.
4 arrows with physical button

pps it's not that you need to drive a tesla for a week to realize that using the controls on the display is dangerous, but if anything you need to understand that the controls are so much simplified that you divert your attention less from the road than on a car with physical keys (in these days I've been driving my partner's t-cross and my mother's yaris every day for 3 weeks, well, I have to look away much more from those than from the model y, although I already know where the commands I'm looking for, only that to do even the simplest things, you have to go through several keystrokes, see even just to choose a destination on the navigator, where by now I'm used to using it only vocally, or to turn the 'air conditioning, where do you know where the button is, but anyway I have to look to get that and not one of the other neighbors)

Fifagi January 26, 2023, 16:31 #38

Originally Posted by: blobb

I repeat, I have seen videos complaining about the voice commands, then if they have fixed the bugs I don't know, and in any case I think having all the information (trivially, even the speed) on a screen placed sideways, a source of distraction, as it is established that the commands physicists are more intuitive

the lack of a screen in front, due to the speed, was one of the things that worried me the most, but I can say that it gets used to a lot....then, for example, I was used to my mum's yaris where in practice the speedometer was already centered in the car and not in front.

That said, at least in my case the speed I see very well with the peripheral view. I certainly don't miss a front screen to read the speed, if anything, instead, I would like to have a nice HUD that shows me in front of me, the most important information, such as the speed, the limit, and a warning for a car /motorcycle/scooter in the blind spot

bonzoxxx January 26th 2023, 16:35 #39

Thanks Fifagi really nice report, thank you very much.

I too am tempted by the Y because of the impressive load capacity.

Did you get it LR or SR+?

Fifagi January 26, 2023, 16:43 #40

Originally Posted by: bonzoxxx

Thanks Fifagi really nice report, thank you very much.

I too am tempted by the Y because of the impressive load capacity.

Did you get it LR or SR+?

LR, with Autopilot at maximum potential (don't take it, at the advanced max), white with white seats (my son's fault) 19" rims (hoping it was softer), acceleration boost.
I don't know what car you have now.
If so, try it, maybe on less than perfect roads...and evaluate, trying not to be influenced by the acceleration

ps the autoparking was a disappointment.
With the Mercedes it worked very well, both in recognizing the parking spaces and in making them (she parked me alone leaving little space in front and behind, often less than me) and I was used to having her park 90% of the time, with the tesla instead often it doesn't really recognize the parking space, when it recognizes it it is slow to park and often it needs a LOT more space... and often it cancels the parking space during the manoeuvre:-/

an example of unrecognized parking (when it does it shows a P on the display) which obviously class c would have recognized automatically...and there was a lot of space

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