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zappy07 December 2018, 11:43 #71
but the model 3 was not the "cheap" one
but the model 3 was not the "cheap" one?!?
Nc707 December 2018, 11:53 #72
Originally Posted by: gospel
I hope you are referring to the autopilot technology, because apart from this, Tesla's competitors are not behind on the contrary. Toyota was the pioneer of the electric vehicle and in fact it is in better shape in the technology field. Tesla on its side has had the good fortune to have been supported by the US government with loans and incentives, otherwise with all the problems it has had it would have already closed... and honestly between a tesla model x and a jaguar e-pace at the same price, I choose the latter..
Having said that, I also tested different teslas when I was in Austria, nothing to say about the driving, but definitely not worth the money it currently costs.
I'm not referring to anything in particular, what I mean is that in 2012, the year the Model S was introduced to the market, Tesla was definitely ahead (in general). Was the Jaguar already available?? Obviously, with each passing year, the others are getting closer (and, why not, even surpassing it), but the fact remains that research is also stimulated by the success that Tesla has had (regardless of government aid). Toyota will also be better placed in terms of technology but did not (has?) In the catalog a car with the characteristics of the Model S.
RagerinoDecember 07 2018, 11:55 am #73
Originally Posted by: Nc7
How many phenomena that speak at random... obviously it's not a car for everyone, surely electric isn't yet convenient in most cases, but TESLA is developing technology that will be useful to everyone in the future.
And he's doing this by selling thousands of cars, not just announcing prototypes or concepts... I went to California last year and it's amazing how many Model S and X you see around, the California streets are full of them.
Then you may or may not like the car, I'm sure most of those who say they'll never buy it can't afford it anyway. I also can't afford it but I know several people who have it, I've driven it more than once and if I had the chance I would buy it. It is a unique product, with more or less obvious defects, but certainly light years ahead of a traditional car. And despite all the criticisms and attempts to slow down its spread, Tesla's success has prompted many other manufacturers to invest in electricity and continue to develop technology.
Easy to sell 100k luxury cars. I bet then that most Tesla owners in the US have at least another 3-gas car in the garage, for when you need to go on some serious road trips or get over the weekend.
I'm not ahead in electric technology, I'm ahead in marketing. They were good at packaging a product with existing technology.
But they're not good at building cars, they have reliability problems that not even the Fiats of the 80s. And the quality of the interior makes chickens laugh.
In fact, just look at the new electric Jaguar, it seems to be on another planet, in terms of quality.
Erotavlas_turbo07 December 2018, 12:04 #74
Unfortunately I can't afford it.
However, the cost is in line with the performance.
[LIST]
[*] 400 HP real (they are not available only in a limited rpm range as for internal combustion engine cars)
[*] 0-100 km/h in 3.7 s
[*] 250 km/h as maximum speed
[*] reduced running cost 6-7 km/kWh (about €0.20) or €2.86-3.33 per 100 km
[*] autonomous driving one level ahead of the competition
[*] low cost maintenance
[*] no pollution (battery disposal after 25 years, 7-8 years in the car, the rest on the powerwall)
[/ LIST]
How many cars with these performances cost less than 60-70k €?
gospel07 December 2018, 12:16 #75
Originally Posted by: Nc7
I'm not referring to anything in particular, what I mean is that in 2012, the year the Model S was introduced to the market, Tesla was definitely ahead (in general). Was the Jaguar already available?? Obviously, with each passing year, the others are getting closer (and, why not, even surpassing it), but the fact remains that research is also stimulated by the success that Tesla has had (regardless of government aid). Toyota will also be better placed in terms of technology but did not (has?) In the catalog a car with the characteristics of the Model S.
does not have a model like the model s in its catalog because it has no interest in having one given the low number of sales it would make, that's all
zappy07 December 2018, 12:40 #76
Originally Posted by Ragerino
Easy to sell 100k luxury cars. I bet then that the majority of Tesla owners in the USA have at least another 3 petrol car in the garage, ...
I think they are also 4-5-6000. 3000 in the usa is a small car
NighttimeDecember 07 2018, 13:57 #77
come on.. here's the cheap tesla that everyone craved.. from just 60 thousand euros which will compete with the bmw 3 series .. which however starts at 40 thousand .. at 60 thousand it's not exactly the basic model .. with that money you get the 330i MSport .. boh .. I think that in Tesla they have clear ideas on the concept of basic price .. it was the Spaniards who believed that 35 euros were 35 euros ..
i don't know why people think that cars will become cheap all of a sudden.. tesla then who makes 100k cars...
gospel07 December 2018, 14:14 #78
Originally Posted by: Nighttime
come on.. here's the cheap tesla that everyone craved.. from just 60 thousand euros which will compete with the bmw 3 series .. which however starts at 40 thousand .. at 60 thousand it's not exactly the basic model .. with that money you get the 330i MSport .. boh .. I think that in Tesla they have clear ideas on the concept of basic price .. it was the Spaniards who believed that 35 euros were 35 euros ..
i don't know why people think that cars will become cheap all of a sudden.. tesla then who makes 100k cars...
but read the news a bit? this model for sale is not the basic one but the one with double battery.
rigelpd07 December 2018, 14:34 #79
Originally Posted by: megamitch
I'm a bit skeptical about the diffusion of electricity on a large scale.
They sell it as an innovation for the environment, but for me it's simply a matter of polluting "somewhere else".
The cost in terms of pollution to produce and dispose of batteries, as well as to produce the electricity to maintain them, is certainly not low.
Especially the first two points we know very well that third world countries will also have to put up with this scourge. We already know of huge landfills of Western products in Asia and other less fortunate countries than ours.
Reasoning absurdly, at least today from an ethical point of view there is a certain balance, do I want to use the car at all costs? At least I breathe the pollution generated by it.
And who lives in the city like you and doesn't use a car?
I'd like you to stop for a moment to think if ironically we already live in a world where all cars are electric and out of the blue something new appears: the petrol car. A car that:
1) pollutes the air of the people walking on the sidewalk who certainly are used to it now but if you were the only one they certainly wouldn't see you clearly...
2) it has limitations in terms of acceleration which require the creation of a complicated gear system in order to fully exploit its power
3) has a massive engine in front of the driver which in the event of a head-on does not allow any crumpling of the bonnet and transmits all the energy of the accident to the passenger compartment
4) it has a much lower energy conversion efficiency and therefore is more polluting than electricity even if all the electricity was supplied by oil-fired power plants
5) has an incredibly higher number of moving parts and therefore requires much more maintenance: has it ever seemed a little suspicious that the car is not sold to you by the factory and instead by a mechanic who earns from repairs?? In your opinion, why is Tesla the only one of all car companies to sell its cars directly?
6) It has a much higher center of mass and therefore is easier to roll over
7) It forces you to go to refuel on a weekly basis instead of having to do it only once in a while on long journeys (because with the electric every night you recharge enough to do at least 150km a day)
8) Use petrol as an energy source: it stinks, it is flammable and above all it costs you 3 times as much electricity for the same km travelled
9) In comparison, it makes an incredible racket... that too is pollution
What would your first thought be?
"what a beautiful innovation?"
maxnaldo07 December 2018, 14:35 #80
Originally Posted by: Vindicator23
I remembered years ago when this site was only gaming or game peripherals
now also the dealership? As well as for motorcycles ... amazon can also be there because it has income from ads but these too ...
I agree, now they are cell phone dealers and auto-motorcycle dealers.
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